Swissvax Devine Wax Made To Order....

I think most people on these detailing sites do not fall for the made for a certain paint type line, they may spend crazy amounts of money on waxes, however its to see if there better... I agree that certain waxes should be used on certain paints is bs... like you said you dont need a wax for italian paint, you can use any wax....

I know i buy waxes to see what I feel is th ebest not becasye someone says i need it for my "paint type". I know many people on the forum think the say way i do


as for the SW thing, i belive the formula of each divine type is diffrent, im nto sure the diffrence and i dont agree that one is for this paint type or that type, however i am sure they look diffrent (ok i am assuming here but my experience has lead me to this assumption).


We also need to remeber that these wax companies are there to make money. thats whya re they are in business is to make money :yikes:. So when the average ferrari ownr calls and says i have a f430 and a merc. s600 which wax should i buy zymol or SV will say each needs there own so the person buys both.... its a way to make money.

heck everything is about marketing, food compnaies do it, car companies do it, booze compines do it... its one of those byers beware :itsok:

 

and so has zymol for that instance

 

Well I would have to agree with you sometimes the people I talk to pretend to know what they are talking about but all they are doing is eather reading of a book or saying what they have been told to say or heard. Heck I do the same with what I learn/read...I have a friend that work with nothing but high end vehicles, Ferrari, Lambos, Merc..ect..ect..he owns his own body shop and he's giving me some pointers. Perhaps the new Ferrari's use the same paint but I know the old school Ferraris use well just that the old school paint. Wich is very different compared to the new paint...I still don't know which is better to work with as I've never detailed a Ferrari :shrug:

Weather they are lying or not I don't know, all I'm after is will it deliver...the rep/salesman may not know nothing about the product but will the product deliver is what I'm interested in....so I just got it, to see for my self if Divine will satisfy me. Then again I doubt that I'll ever be satisfied with just one wax....lol...my collection has grown exponentialy, if a wax gets my attention well I purchase it and see if it lives up to it's reputation that and I just can't get enough carnauba...so I'm sure Divine wont be the only high end wax I'll be purchasing.

 

nica, did they tell you what the carnuba content on the italian formula was versus the german?

 

Why??????

 

is someone picking up a italian car?

 

You know I knew someone was going to ask that and to be honest I can't remember the exact number...I can't remember if it was 60 something or if it was 70 something I'll have to check the e-mails again. It competes with Vintage so I'm assuming 60 something just my guess though.

Well just can't for now :shrug:

 

hey i dont like all this negitive bashing of carnubas dammit!! :shakehead:. my take is it probably cost very little to make these waxes i agree and it is a lot of marketing. shoot my wife bought a 5 hundred dollor coach pocket book. its nice but aint worth 5 hundred big ones. its not even leather... but she likes it what can you do .. i love waxes and to me its ok to spend a little more . its a hobby thing it would get boring if i just kept useing the same was over and over again.

 

oh ok . well then orderup!!! j/k

 

I do. And here is why:

In my shop, we used Glasurit and Sikkens paints to refinish damaged cars. I tried Spies Hecker for a short time and also Herbert Standox. I ended up keeping the Sikkens and Glasurit racks. I refinished all types of cars using these two paints, German, Italian, Sweedish, American, and Japanese. I had two systems becuase some color formulas from each were better matches from one manufacturer another. No one system had it all.


I dont know what the difference could be solely based geographically between automobile manufacturers. I just dont see it. If Ferrari was using PPG at the time of manufacture and so was Audi, whats the difference? Clear is clear! (clear, reducer, hardener, and sometimes flex additive and or tint)

The questions from Swissvax should be:
"What vehicle manufacturer and when was the car built?"
"Was the car repainted or does it have any repaired panels?"
"What is the paint code"

From here you can at least sound intelligent when formulating questions to tailor a finishing system as simple as a wax. Italian or German just isnt realistic. there is no valid data collected by answering those questions.

I am not bashing, I actually hoped Nica came out and said they asked a battery of legitimate questions to create a formula based on a 2008 Ferrari F430 Spyder manufactured on 1/08 in 84028 PPG Giallo 2 stage.

From this we know - Thin yellow PPG paint. Long flat nose running at high speeds, needs hard protection. Gloss and reflection ore more important than depth as the color reflects most light.

Now thats customer service......

 

Find it hard to believe that "all" paints are exactly alike. I mean with different environmental controls and restrictions and VOC compliance issues according to countries limits would in and of itself cause differences wouldn't it? I mean heck right here in the good ol' USA we could have car care products for cars in California and cars in other states with less restrictive VOC compliance restrictions. So from the sheer environmental aspect I would think that paints and application methods would be different from country to country. Just my take.

 

BOOM! Volitle Organic Content and the EPA!

When I was getting out of the business, water borne-paints were just popping up. Hence my stint with Herbert Standox. You know these paints are not only mixed and applied differently than a standard clear, but they also cure differently. The biggest reason we didnt use them was the diffuculty in matching the basecoats. The technology just wasnt developed at the time.

Another issue is coating thickeness. NOTHING on earth is as thin as a factory job. When a panel is repainted, the paint a shop uses is NOT the same as what the manufacturer uses. Anyone that tells you they use the EXACT SAME paint as Ford or Ferrari is a liar or just in a dizzying fog. The aftermarket and OEM coatings are designed to cure differently. I believe some factory paints are dried using heat as well as high intensity UV light which both far exceed what is capable in a standard downdraft spray booth. Here is a trick, try to match the paint under the hood of a Lexus. The color codes are not anywhere on the vehicle and the finish is very unusual.

See gents, if you know what you are talking about, there is a science to marketing a vehicle specific wax, just call me and I will make one for you....:shead:

 

on a side note I was told that By George is the best variation for Devine....but again that's what I heard I will be ordering that and German for myself shortly.

 

So there are a few variations of Devine or is it DIVINE? Do you have the information Phil?

 

Not to hijack this thread but speaking of Ferrari's there is a body shop in my area called Classic Coachwork that I would always pass when I was a kid and as long as I could remember during the 70's, 80's and early 90's would have tons of Ferrari's sitting outside and in the shop. I had my MB roof fixed by them a few years ago as there was a bubble around the sun roof that was fixed under warranty and got talking to the owner.

I asked the owner about all the Ferrari's and he told me he had Ferrari of North America's account for years and that over 50% of the cars would get damaged from the elements in the shipping process and that they would take apart and repaint the entire car before it was delivered to the new owner. It just blew me away that 50% of these cars when bough new were repaints. Don't get me wrong, these guys are magician's when it comes to painting cars and I could not tell my roof or any of the cars leaving their shop were repaints. They have a excellent rep which is what brought me to their shop in the first place. He since lost the contract but I wonder if Ferrari is still repainting their cars when they get here.

So, I guess Swissvax should add this question to their list of Q's before buying Divine. Has your new Ferrari been damaged in transit and has been repainted with american paint. I think they used Glasurit. I know it was a real good german brand.

Jsatek, Sikkens is an EXCELLENT paint. My old Stingray was done in Sikkens and looked better than just about every paint job at the car shows and always won best paint awards at the show which I attribute to the Sikkens paint and my outstanding prep skills. Oh, and I guess I need to give Zaino some credit.

To get back on topic, I have to agree with you Todd, that is pure marketing BS. Where the car was made means nothing.

 

What waxes are you using and which ones are just in the collection?

 

agentF1 - Your friend will also tell you that in the 60's all Ferraris were delivered to Miller Motor Cars (East coast) and Ron Tonkin (West coast) in one color, RED. If you saw or wanted a Ferrari in a different color, it was repainted here in the USA. People also dont talk about the brief stint with the fiberglass bodied Dino cars. Also a different finish once painted.

I am can count on one hand the number of Ferrari's that I have seen that do not have a repainted panel.

 

I should probably mention the only reason they lost the contract was because they changed the port the cars came in at so I am assuming he was to far for them to ship them to him.

 

You can paint concrete, grass, aluminum, or wood.
The clearcoat is still clearcoat and that is what wax is sitting on. Primer and basecoat set the stage.

 

one of you guys should call swissvax and ask them . what do they take into consideration when blending a certain wax for the paint. if clearcote is all the same on everycar.