Wax Lifespan

Discussion in 'Last Steps: Waxes, Sealants, and Coatings' started by B.Prug87, Jul 11, 2010.

  1. B.Prug87

    B.Prug87 Guest

    I cant figure out what im doing wrong. I went over my car 3 weeks ago with 106 and a white pad on my pc to clean up the little oxidation that i had. Then i put on jet seal. It did not come in contact with water but when i went to wash my car 5 days later every panel except my roof and my hood was beeding water. On my roof and hood it looks like the water stuck to it sorta how when you clay bar your car then wash it. i figured i didnt use enough so i applied RBOE on top. 5 days after that i washed my car again. I got spots with big beeding and other with nothing on the hood and roof. So today i wash it again 10 days later, again on my roof and hood the water is just sticking on while everywere else its beeding including the back of my trunk lid which normally is the first place the beeding stops. I cant figure out whats going on here. the second time i purpously skipped whiping off the residue from the hood and roof last thinking maybe i didnt allow it to cure correctly. Iv never run into this issue before from what i can remember. So any suggestions?

    I posted that on my RBOE application thread. im not sure how long RBOE is supposed to last. But if its simular to Souveran as far as life pan what wax should i look into that gives the depth and gloss but lasts longer. I cant get into sealants on dark cars its just not the same. any suggestions would be appreciated
     
  2. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    If a wax / polymer is applied to a correctly prepared paint surface is shold have better durability than that

    Q: What is 106?
     
  3. Dust2Glory

    Dust2Glory Nuba Guru

     
  4. P1et

    P1et Official DB Moderator

    Even waxes such as Souveran which will maybe last you through one wash should bead longer than just 5 days. This is very strange indeed!
     
  5. Camaro5Ryan

    Camaro5Ryan Any Rag Vehicle Washer

    I have durability issues with my jeatseal 109 as well... It doesn't seem to last longer than 1 wash. I have a ton of CG products, and 50% of them are a let down.
     
  6. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    The Removal of Silicone Polymers

    Polishing is a mechanical process; silicone is a product that has been designed not to be removed by mechanical abrasion, as it causes the abrasive to hydroplane. When using an abrasive polish on surfaces that have been previously treated with a silicone-based product, a smear may result and any applied products may not form an adequate bond to the paint surface, thereby negatively affecting durability.

    It is important to understand why this occurs.

    Cause - There are lots of polymer silicone oils used in car care products (quick detailers, spray waxes, spray on drying aids and the wax used in drive through car washes. The properties that make silicone so popular with car detailers, and some auto manufacturers, also make it a very difficult product for the polisher to remove.

    During polishing, the silicone mixes with oxidised paint and polish abrasive residue that is being removed from the surface to form a smear. These products and or paint/ polish debris can be removed with a wipe-down process or a specific silicone remover, it will probably take more than one attempt

    • Can you remove silicone from a clear coat completely? [It is impossible to remove silicone from a painted surface without using a chemical process so aggressive that it dissolves the paint. Wax and grease removers will chemically remove one layer of silicone off at a time but are unable to completely remove all the silicone].
    [Tests at Menzerna using a spectroscope showed the layers become thinner but the silicone remains. Removing silicone completely can take place over time and involves a lengthy process of oxygen, chemicals, time and sunlight] Dr Michael Hauber

    When an abrasive polish works on the surface of paint it uses aluminum oxide spheres, suspended in oil / water emulsion that provides surface lubrication and a mechanical process to abrade the surface of the paint down to the level of the bottom of the scratch. Silicon cannot be removed this way; it can be removed by a chemical means and is designed to resist being removed by mechanical means. Instead the silicon mixes with the blend of paint dust and polish powder and it creates a smear on the paint.

    We should differentiate between swirl marks in the silicone layer and swirl marks in the paint underneath. Some polishes may appear to remove the swirl marks in the paint but are really only working on the layer of silicone. So the swirl marks in the paint itself remain unaffected by the polishing and reappear after a few weeks, as the silicone is being removed by time.
    Preparation- If the car has been treated with silicone, use a wax and grease remover to remove as much of the silicone as possible before polishing. You will not be able to remove it all but it helps. .
    • Hi-Temp's Prep Wash - to prepare a paint surface for polishing, compounding, wax and / or polymer sealant application (especially if changing from a wax to a polymer product) this is a water-based paint cleaner designed to remove all traces of silicone, oil, and buffing residue from any exterior paint surface

    • DuPont PrepSol II™ or Final-Klean - spray onto a 100% cotton or a micro fibre towel and clean the surface, DuPont now also sells the Sonatra Line, which are essentially wipes/towels, pre-moistened with either Prep-Sol or Final-Klean, ideal for all high tech wiping applications, excellent in use both wet and dry with high absorbent capacity

    • Dow Corning® OS-2 Silicone Cleaner and Surface Prep Solvent is a volatile methyl siloxane (VMS) fluid that is compatible with a wide range of materials. It will not harm most substrates, including plastics. OS-2 can be used to remove silicone-based; greases, oils, car wax and car care products, will soften cured silicones to facilitate removal
    • SONAX Premium Class Paint Cleaner is a Silicone-free paintwork cleaner that safely and effectively degreases the paint surface and removes smear films caused by silicone, oil and wax deposits, also ideal for the care and maintenance of scratch-resistant ceramic clear coats. It will considerably increase the durability of a follow-up sealing or protecting treatment

    • Wurth Clean Solve is a fast acting cleaner and solvent that will not leave a film residue. It will quickly remove wax, tar, gum, grease, paint overspray, adhesive, oil, and silicone. It can be used on a variety of surfaces including: base coat, clear coat, aluminium, fibreglass, glass, fabrics and vinyl.

    • Pre-Kleano is a silicone, wax, grease, tar and road-oil dissolving solvent. Used to; - remove contamination from existing paint films, slightly penetrate existing paint for good adhesion of subsequent coats and clean sanded OEM finishes for repainting.
     
  7. vtec92civic

    vtec92civic Nuba Guru

    that's a bummer. i love cg stuff
     
  8. P1et

    P1et Official DB Moderator

    I think Jetseal is a great product. However, I agree with you on paint application where you are only using Jetseal. The beading is nothing to write home about, and you're right, it doesn't seem to last very long. However, top it with a carnauba wax and it's my favorite product for sealing. Very easy to use, and really works well with a nice wax.

    I use it a lot on wheels. To date, I still have to find a product that lasts longer in protecting my wheels. Impressive.
     
  9. Mindflux

    Mindflux Welcome to Detailing

    RejeX is real popular on wheels. Have you given that a go?
     
  10. pektel

    pektel DB Forum Supporter

    I use Duragloss on wheels. 501/105 to start, then top it up with Aquawax.

    I am very tempted to try Ultima tire and trim guard on my wheels. I hear it works excellent.
     
  11. Mindflux

    Mindflux Welcome to Detailing

    You mean on your tires right? Not the wheel itself :p
     
  12. pektel

    pektel DB Forum Supporter

    Actually, I do mean the wheel itself. In fact, they have modified their label to include wheel treatment as well.
     
  13. Mindflux

    Mindflux Welcome to Detailing

    Interesting. For the cost I'd just stick with whatever's cheapest and easiest to apply though. That's just me.
     
  14. P1et

    P1et Official DB Moderator

    I've seen it quite a bit and I have been impressed with what I saw. When I'm out of Jetseal, I'll probably give it a go.
     
  15. Mindflux

    Mindflux Welcome to Detailing

    Report back when you do.
     
  16. christian900se

    christian900se Obsessive Detailer

    I have had this experience a few times with some of my 'beauty' waxes i.e. Lusso, P21s, and Souveran. On the horizontal panels of my black Saab, the beading would die off within a week whilst the vertical panels would be perfect. I believe that the heat that the horizontal panels reach in the sun just annihilate the durability of most carnauba waxes during the summer, especially without a base sealant/hybrid wax.
     
  17. rwisejr

    rwisejr DB Forum Supporter

    +1 for the Rejex stuff really works fantastic on wheels . Leaves a nice slick finish !!!!
     
  18. trhland

    trhland Nuba Guru

    i agree my pinnacle waxes look awesome for a week or 2 .then disapear.. durability and look.. then need to be reaplyed.
     
  19. B.Prug87

    B.Prug87 Guest

    well today it rained for a few minutes. i go out to my car to see it has beeded everywhere....so im really confused at this point why rain water beeds and water from my hose just sticks to it after i rinse the car off.
     
  20. christian900se

    christian900se Obsessive Detailer

    Do you have very hard water? I found your same observations with the extremely hard water back at my place in Connecticut.
     

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