Menzerna PO85RD

Thanks to a very special member here for the advice
This is how I use 85RD.

Paint prep - Paint Neutralisation wash and De beer Silicone remover
Pad used - megs 8 inch Beige
Primed with 2 x dime sized blobs of product
Lubed with Black Baron and 2 drops of Parrafin Oil - for EVP like unlimited working time and sticky clear coat stopper

Process

600 spread, up to 900, 1100, 1200
Back down to 1100, 1000, 900
Then a small bead of product added, some water and jeweling down at 900 for a while then 800, 700 and 600

Total time - 16 mins

I like to move the machine at a very low even motion. it's just my style
heat is good for paint regardless of what anyone says. It just cant be hot or superhot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjxc7L56CmM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_DyZFVpOyM

 

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That's too much work. Leave the speed at 1500 and jewel. Jewel by pressure and speed of moving across the paint.

 

He's just sharing his method of how he uses it...

 

Anyway, it came out very good though...

 

That is fine. I didn't say it was a bad method, just that it is too much work. Car detailing is as unique as a person is and everyone has their different methods. I like to make things as simple as possible and for me, leaving the speed at 1500 and using pressure and speed across the paint is the best way and it gives great results. I may not agree with it, but if it works, then by all means keep doing it. This is about results, it doesn't matter how you get there, just get there.

 

I think you over-analyzing my method of jeweling. When I explained my method the idea I was try to get across was the slow releveling of paint... without building excess heat.

16minutes is overkill to be honest. It may seem like a great way to further level the finish and create a glossier effect BUT there is no way you are going to jewel an entire vehicle by working each panel (or 1/2 panel) for 15+ minutes at a time.

Also using the oils on the pad helps smooth things out and lets you jewel but after a while all the 85rd will dissipate and basically your polishing with a foam pad and oils.... oils have no gloss enhancing benefit, or leveling benefit for that matter.

Too much oil does nothing, the right amount working in CONJUNCTION with 85rd or another fine polish works beautifully.

 

You must be charging by the hour LOL !!!!!

 

Thanks for sharing! Nice looking shop you have :thumb:

 

I've tested this for a few weeks now and I've concluded that a 10 to 15 min work time is better than 3 to 6 mins. however any more time than that and I'm just wasting my time.

The finish can still be improved upon by non abrasive means of course.
Pretty much an hourly rate of 50 to 65 bucks. The last few details including the crystal Lacquer inside and out cost the owners $1,000, $1,200 and $950.00

 

Thanks Dave, I did a whole car this way and the customer freaked out
I add more product once it's just oils but this was basically research for me
I wanted to see how long I could work it for and continue to get better and better results

I am now switching to a 5 to 10 min working time per section. I found that 3 to 5 mins is good but the colour shade was darkened on a dark car by 2 to 3 shades by working the product for 8 to 12 mins.
So yes, depending on what service the customer chooses, I'll either do a 5 minute process or 8 to 12 mins.

Jewelling at 1500 sounds strange to me. the product has broken down and your still running it at the same speed afterwards. hmm. thats not jewelling it down in my book

should be 1250, 1000, 900, 800, then slower if you wish.

 

Here are some of the results from trying all the different working times

1996 Ford EL Tickford XR8 - navy blue
(factory paint)






2002 HSV Monaro
Phantom Black

 

^^^ I never agreed that continuous finishing at 1500 is good. 1500 is usually my max when finishing and jeweling is 1k and below rpm.

However (and not to sound like a jerk) the cars pictured above look no different from the work many on this forum put out, many who do not jewel for 10+ minutes at a time.

 

Oh I'd agree but it won't stay that way for long

 

it won't stay that way for long. I've seen the diff between 3 to 5 mins and 7 to 13 so I'll do what I feel is best.

 

Everyone has there own way of getting there. Most important is that you get there. Nice work mate.

 

wow that just seems like so much work. came out really nice though
around here the days of $1100 details are few and far between. now even getting a $250 paint correction only detail is hard

 

Gee that's not good at all.
I get 1, 1.5, 2, 3 and up to 7 days to refinish a car so I have the time to spend and get the extra cash at the end of it all too.

 

What pad are you using in the video?

 

16 minutes? Union labor?