Detailer's Domain: Porsche 911 CS Cab - Ugh Water Spots

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  1. detailersdomain

    detailersdomain Administrator

    Received a call from the customer telling me that he would like his 911 CS Cab done. I'm thinking that's great! ........Then he tells me he has water spots on it, I ask how long have they been on there? If I recall right he said 6 months.

    What was done -

    - Wheels were prepped with Sonax Wheel Cleaner and cleaned up with various brushes
    - Tires were spritzed down with Adam’s All Purpose Cleaner and washed down
    - Wheel wells were cleaned up
    - Pre Washed with W99
    - Iron Cut
    - Wash down and rinsed
    - Door jambs were cleaned up
    - Clayed
    - Dried
    - Tires dressed
    - Masking
    - Paint Measurement
    - Meg's M105 with Surbuf Pad
    - Meguiar's DA300
    - Menzerna SF4000
    - Inspection with Fenix, 3m Sun Gun, Infratech, and natural sunlight
    - Last Step – Aquartz
    - Wheel wells were cleaned and dressed
    - Rubber and Plastics Treated
    - Exterior windows and mirrors cleaned and sealed
    - Exhaust tips cleaned
    - Windows were clayed, cleaned, and sealed

    Engine -
    - Cleaned
    - Dressed

    Interior -
    - Vac
    - Wipe down and protect dash
    - Leather cleaned and conditioned
    - Glass cleaned

    Before - Interior

    After - Interior

    Water spots everywhere!

    Before - Wheels

    Sonax Full Effect Wheel Cleaner in action

    APC on the tires and wheel wells

    Wheels and tires cleaned up

    Raggtopp Cleaner on the top

    Before - Engine

    After - Engine



    Iron Cut



    Claying Glass

    50/50 shots
    Fixed up the Clear Film not perfect but a big improvement


    Close up

    After - Not all removed but much much better

    Final touches
    Before - Tips

    After - Tips

    Pre Wow and Black Wow on the trim

    After shots

    Products used

    Links to products used -

    1Z einszett W99
    Adam's All Purpose Cleaner
    Sonax Full Effect Wheel Cleaner
    Uber Clay Bar Kit
    Meguiar's M105
    Meguiar's Microfiber DA Compound D300
    Menzerna Super Finish
    Aquartz Nano Coating
    1Z einszett Vinyl Rubber Care
    Optimum Metal Polish

    Uber Glass Cleaner Kit

    Leather Master Plus Kit
    1Z einszett Cockpit

    Engine Detail Kit

    Tools used
    Uber Wool Wash Mitt
    Uber No Name MF Towels
    Porter Cable 7424XP
    Uber Buffing Pads
    Defelsko Paint Meter

    Kranzle Pressure Washer
    Cam Spray Foam Canon
    2 Grit Guard Buckets with Caddies
    Uber Firehose Nozzle
    Metro Air Force Blaster
  2. P1et

    P1et Official DB Moderator

    Massive turnaround Phil, definitely one of the dirtiest Porsches we've seen in a while. And what's with the sudden increase of hard water on paint on DB?
  3. kakeuter

    kakeuter DB Forum Supporter

    Looks great Phil, hard water is such an issue here in Fort Worth.

  4. dsms

    dsms DB Forum Supporter

    That was bad, great job!
  5. Pats300zx

    Pats300zx Official DB Moderator

    Looking good Phil !!!!
  6. cgthanos

    cgthanos Virgin Detailer

    Excellent job as always.

    Regarding the clear film treatment -- what exactly did you do? I have a c2s cab that I maintain with menzerna polishes, FMJ, and souveran and nothing seems to improve the light scratches on the clear film. I realize that it could be a completely different product that I have but I'm curious nonetheless how you made such an improvement in this film.

  7. tdekany

    tdekany Wax on..Wax off

    What an excellent detail. Awesome work as always.

    On a side note, FYI, yesterday I worked on a 2002 745Li that had 10 years worth of waterspots on it.

    You have it easy :D Just saying.....
  8. v|nsan|ty

    v|nsan|ty Obsessive Detailer

    Are water spots harder to correct than swirls or RIDS? I have very limited experience with water spots as it doesn't affect me much. There was one instance where I had to wash on a sunny day and despite moving around quickly, I ended up with some water spots. I took care of them with PO85RD but I'm assuming it's much different for you guys.
  9. Socal Brian

    Socal Brian DB Forum Supporter

    Fantastic job Phil!
  10. mikenap

    mikenap Jedi Nuba

    It really does seem like water-etched cars are showing up more and more. I know Bob has posted a few recently, and now this one. Anyway, awesome work Phil, it looks great now!

    Fresh waterspots are no problem. Light polish, clay or a QD will knock them out. Etched waterspots can be DEEP, too deep to safely remove sometimes. I've got a pic somewhere of where I sanded some scratches and waterspots on a hood. The RIDS came out pretty well, but you could easily see how much deeper the etched waterspots were, and there was no way I was going to chase those.
  11. detailersdomain

    detailersdomain Administrator

    I would agree with Mike.

    The problem with water spots are even though you get most of it off it will etch the paint, the 911 above had some serious etching so even though we brought out the guards red again under certain light you can see the outline of the water spots.
  12. rwisejr

    rwisejr DB Forum Supporter

    Great turn around Phil . I always enjoy your write ups.
  13. Auto Concierge

    Auto Concierge DB Pro Supporter

    Inset water spot etch especially on clearfilm is the bane of my existance.................................BY FAR the hardest thing to deal with when it is bad, btw Phil "Looks great".
  14. kyle butler

    kyle butler Birth of a Detailer

    So what causes the etched water spots? Is it hard water? rain?
  15. detailersdomain

    detailersdomain Administrator

    I want to say water spots are harder and have can damage the paint as oppose to swirls and rids which you can get rid of.
  16. detailersdomain

    detailersdomain Administrator

    hard water, acid rain etc.
  17. togwt

    togwt Nuba Guru

    The misnomer ‘water spots’ are likely to contain the atmospheric pollutants nitrogen oxide from motor exhaust emissions and sulphur oxide emissions from chemical plants, paper making and refineries, all of which can cause paint discoloration, surface etching and leaving microscopic surface imperfections and micro pores in the paint film surface that are vulnerable to deterioration, which should be removed and naturalized as soon as possible.

    These spots are recognizable by white or chalky rings that make the paint appear cloudy. Acid (acid rain, industrial fallout (IFO) hard water minerals (calcium and magnesium) alkali (from a sprinkler system) and of the above when mixed with moisture and heat (reactivity) will cause etching ((a concave circular mark and pitting)) each time moisture and heat are added the acid / alkali is reactivated and it permeates further into the paint surface, if left for too long they can become too deeply ingrained in the clear coat for ‘safe’ removal.

    If not removed, these minerals can permanently etch paint and glass. Quick detailers typically contain a wax or polymer and water, using them on an acid / alkali will lock the acid, allowing it to react with moisture and heat, which makes the acid more aggressive
  18. Meticulous-Detail

    Meticulous-Detail DB Forum Supporter

    Nice job as usual Phil! Might be comin up to c ya this week.
  19. Danny

    Danny Nuba Guru

    Very nice work Phil!
  20. AutoObsessed

    AutoObsessed Dealers

    Great turnaround Phil, looks like you guys have been really busy. Congrats :)

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