Air Compresor

Discussion in 'Tools - Machine Polishers, Pressure Washers, Detai' started by Berscht, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. Berscht

    Berscht Jedi Nuba

    I am looking to add an air compressor into my arsonal. I will be using it for just blowing out ac vents and to get debris from under seats and whatnot. Any suggestions on tank size? Also what is everyones experience with their air compressor. Thanks all!
     
  2. Duratys

    Duratys Welcome to Detailing

    Are you EVER planning to use air tools with it?
     
  3. JLs Detailing

    JLs Detailing DB Pro Supporter

    I've been thinking about adding an air compressor too and would like to use air tools with it so Duratys what do you recommend?
     
  4. Duratys

    Duratys Welcome to Detailing

    Well first you need to decide what tools your going to use with it. Every tool has a certain amount of air that it requires to operate properly. If your compressor dosent "put out" equal to, or better yet more than, the tool your using you will have to wait for the compressor to build up pressure. For me....waiting for the compressor is like poking dull sticks under my fingernails...

    So lets say your going to use an orbital sander that requires 17cfm @90 psi, a 1/2" impact that requires 19cfm @ 90psi, and a 3/8" ratchet that will need 15 cfm @90 psi.
    You will require a compressor capable of a minimum of 19cfm @90 psi. A better bet would be to find something in the 19-20cfm range @100-110 psi in case you need it for a tool you curently thought you didnt need. Large compressors arent cheap so buying one that is "more than you need" is cheaper in the long run. Be aware of the duty cycle of the compressor as well if your going to base your decision on being just large enough for your largest tool. An impact or air ratchet is intermitent in use...while an air sander in alot more continous. If your compressor is too closely matched it will run all the time your using it. If thats the case make certain the duty cycle is 100%
     
  5. yukonon22

    yukonon22 Wax on..Wax off

    I used my air sander today for the first time and love it. I woud make sure it has the ability to use air tools.
     
  6. JLs Detailing

    JLs Detailing DB Pro Supporter

    Thanks bro that is some great info there and I feel like I can make a good choice now!:thumb:
     
  7. Nica

    Nica Banned

    Great info there Duratys :thumb:
     
  8. Denzil

    Denzil Guest

    Thanks for the information Duratys. It's something I'll definitely consider when thinking about purchasing an air compressor.
     
  9. Berscht

    Berscht Jedi Nuba

    no not planning to EVER use air tools with it
     
  10. Duratys

    Duratys Welcome to Detailing



    A 15 gallon tank will be lots for what you need and will still have the ability to fill tires with ease.

    This one here will work well too... Canadian Tire
     
  11. Berscht

    Berscht Jedi Nuba

    awesome, thanks for the info! Yeah I was looking around the 8-15 gallon range so I think I will go with 15 gal range
     
  12. jake_b

    jake_b Obsessive Detailer

    IF you search the net.. here's something you'll probably read.


    Air Compressor Buyer's Guide.
    Provided by and used with permission from Rol-Air.


    How to select the best air compressor for your use:
    What size of air compressor do I need?

    1.Figure out your tool’s air requirement:
    This question can be answered by knowing the air requirements or cubic feet per minute, or “cfm”, of the tools you are using or plan to use. Some tools consume more air than others. Tools such as pneumatic nail-guns and staplers consume smaller amounts of air, while air grinders and sprayers consume larger amounts. Most tools have a usage rating for cfm consumption at a recommended PSI. This can be found on the tool itself or in the owner’s manual supplied by the tool manufacturer.
    ***One tool at a time: If you are the only person using the compressor, you should find the tool you will use that requires the largest cfm. Use this cfm to determine the size of compressor you need.
    ***More than one tool at a time: If more than one tool will be used at any one time, add up the cfm for all the tools that will be used at the same time (from largest cfm to smallest) and use this total cfm to determine the size of the compressor you need.

    Now you know the required (delivered) cfm you need.
    Note: If your tool operates well below or above 10 psi, you should keep in mind that as you drop in PSI usage you get a slightly higher cfm and vice versa.

    2. Use “Delivered” or “Free” CFM Rating for Compressors, Not “Displaced” cfm:
    To correctly size the right compressor for you, you will need to understand the difference between “displaced” cfm and “delivered” cfm or “free” air. Displaced cfm is the cfm produced by a compressor working in a perfect environment at 100% efficiency. This rating that is published by some manufacturers can be misleading. On paper it is the result of a mathematical equation (Bore x Stroke x Rpm). No compressor ever made is 100% efficient no matter how new! Therefore you should make sure to go by “delivered” cfm.

    3. Select the right compressor for you:
    Take the required cfm in step #1 and add 20%. This number you will use to make your selection. Match up the new cfm with the “delivered” cfm rating for the compressor.


    Does Horsepower rating really matter?

    The answer is no.
    When an air compressor is built, it requires a motor or engine to power the process of producing air. The horsepower is not the only component of the equation. It has to be combined with the compressor pump that it runs to produce the air needed. The bigger the horsepower does not necessarily mean more air. Remember to keep your required cfm in mind. Horsepower does not make you work more efficiently, but horsepower working in unison with a quality pump that produces enough cfm for your needs.
    BEWARE: Make sure when shopping that you look for the running horsepower and not the peak horsepower you get at startup. Some manufacturers have falsely advertised or implied the peak horsepower to be the normal run horsepower. At start-up, there is a surge of power needed to start the motor and can be 1.5-3 times the amount of running power needed. This means the horsepower need for the motor peaks as well, but then drops back down to normal. Many of these manufacturers are involved in a class-action lawsuit for misrepresentation. They have used man’s machismo of “the more horsepower, the better” to their advantage to make sales. These aren’t cars we’re talking about!

    ***(For more information on this topic you can visit: www.aircompressorsettlement.com)


    What voltage do I have to Run On?

    Most direct-drive electric compressors can run on a standard 110-volt circuit. When you get into the electric wheelbarrow compressors, you may have a choice for a dual-voltage option, which allows you to switch between 110-volt and 220-volt, depending on power supply that is available for the job. However, for jobs that require substantially more air, usually a 220-volt motor will be your only choice if a gas-powered compressor is not allowed as an option. When looking for a stationary shop compressor, you need to know what power supply you have at your disposal (208v, 230v, or 460v), and whether it is a single-phase or three-phase power. These units are usually hard-wired into the power supply and require a magnetic starter for thermal overload protection.

    Can I run an air compressor on a generator?

    We do not recommend that you use a generator to power your compressor if no power is available at the jobsite. Serious damage can be done to your compressor motor when sudden fluctuations in power from a generator occur. This is considered improper usage and will void any warranty on the compressor. It is easy for the manufacturer to find damage that occurred because the compressor has been run on a generator.
    SUGGESTION: You may want to consider using a gas-powered compressor when there is no power supply available, or the power supply is to far away. Also use the suggested length and gauge of power cord as noted in the user manual.

    REMEMBER: It is always better to use longer (and larger diameter) hose than a longer cord.

    Most electric tools have an initial start-up surge. This means they need more power to start-up than they need to run. Many times the power required to start-up is 3 times the amount needed to run. This also means the amp-draw is 3 times as much!


    Do I need a Stop-Start, or Constant-Run compressor?

    We need to define what we mean by “stop-start” and “constant-run”:
    Stop-Start: This means that a pressure switch is used to automatically turn on and off the compressor at designated low and high-pressure levels. When switched on, the pressure in the tank builds to a certain psi (pounds per square-inch) and then automatically turns off. When air is used, the psi in the tank is reduced and eventually reaches a low setting where the pressure switch automatically turns back on to build psi back to the high point. This operation is common for smaller electric, direct-drive compressors and some smaller wheelbarrow electric compressors.

    Constant-Run: This means that the motor continues to run and as a result continues to turn the pump. When the tank reaches the high-pressure setting, a pilot unloader-valve opens to atmosphere so that the compressor can continue to run. The valve will close again when the psi is at the low point and begin to direct air back into the tank and re-build to the high-pressure point. This setup is used more often when using tools that require a heavy and constant flow of air without interruption, such as a grinder or sander or sprayer.

    (NOTE: Normally if a compressor stops and starts more than 20 times per hour, you need to use a constant-run setup. If not, you are in danger of ruining the motor due to excessive heat build up. Stopping and starting so often creates a huge amount of heat, more than if the motor stays running all the time.)

    You can find compressors that have a “dual-control” option built on to the compressor where you can switch back and forth between stop-start and constant-run depending on the situation.

    All gas-powered compressors are set up with this unloader-valve system because an engine cannot stop itself and start up again. It will only idle-down and speed-up at set psi levels via a throttle-control mechanism.


    What size tank do I need?

    Tank size only becomes a factor for one reason – A larger tank for air. A compressor will run until the pressure in the tank builds to its high-pressure point. Obviously, the bigger the tank, the longer it takes to consume the compressed air. However, the downfall is that once the air is depleted, it takes a lot longer for the air tank to refill with pressurized air. I would only go with the bigger tank if I am concerned about the motor starting and stopping too often, or if I know that I will need a constant flow of air in longer intervals. You have a choice between a larger tank and a constant-run unit.

    Should I buy an “Oil-less” or “Oil-Lubricated” compressor?

    All reciprocating compressors have a series of pistons that pump up and down inside their individual cylinders to compress the air to a higher pressure. This rubbing creates friction, which creates heat. In order to conserve the life of the pump, you need some type of protection. Some pumps are “splash” lubricated with oil and some have a teflon-type lining in the cylinder.
    Oil-less compressors are adequate for lighter use applications and have the advantage of being able to run off-level without worry, however even though they are considered low-maintenance, they tend to wear much quicker due to more heat build-up and repair costs could be extensive.

    Oil-lubricated compressors have the advantage of keeping the pump running cooler and lasting much longer and are built for the professional who takes pride in ownership and will maintain his equipment. However the key is to make sure the compressor sits level so the “splash”-lubrication is effective and reaches all cylinders. If run off-level, it can score the cylinder and do heavy damage over a short period of time. It is very difficult to claim warranty for the owner in this case.
     
  13. Berscht

    Berscht Jedi Nuba

    wow thats some good info. thanks
     

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