Zaino and Water Spots

Discussion in 'Last Steps: Waxes, Sealants, and Coatings' started by detaildoc, Oct 6, 2008.

  1. detaildoc

    detaildoc Guest

    Last week I did my friend's SUV and reached for the Z2. I applied 3 coats of Z2 with Z6 in between coats. I ran out of Z8, so I was unable to apply it last. We had some light rain here in the Inland Empire this weekend and my friend called me today in a panic. She washed her car and the water spots on the hood would not come out. I had her bring the car to my house, I washed it and sure thing, the darn things would not come out, so I had to do a 50/50 water and alcohol mix to get them out. Just to be on the safe side, I stripped off the Zaino and reached for Opti-Seal. Has anyone experienced this problem with Zaino. I thought this stuff would protect better than that. I have 3 coats of UPGP on my car topped with Danase Classic Wax and 3 coats of Opti-Seal by itself on my wife's car and the rain did not leave those nasty water spots on either car.
     
  2. maesal

    maesal Birth of a Detailer

    I've had the same problem with a customer's metallic black 330Ci. I used Z5-Pro and Z8.
     
  3. agentf1

    agentf1 Jedi Nuba

    All my DD's have Zaino on them and sit out in the rain and have ZERO water spots on them. They are even in the driveway after a rain and the sun comes out and bakes them and I still have no problem. I have even had black daily drivers with no problems.

    Are you sure it was just rain water and not water from a sprinkler that contains minerals or something? Something must have either been on the car or in the water other than rain water to cause it to do that. Did Z-AIO remove them? Or even Z6 should have taken them right off as should have a quick wash.
     
  4. bigpoppa

    bigpoppa Jedi Nuba

    Not waterspots, but other things seem to bond themselves more to the paint with Zaino vs. other LSPs. Don't get me wrong, *most* things wash off the paint easy, but certain environmental contaminants seem to penetrate through it, more so than with other products (or so it seems).
     
  5. detaildoc

    detaildoc Guest

    I asked her and she assured me that she was nowhere near sprinklers. I've had our cars get a fair share of water from our sprinklers and never had that problem.
     
  6. detaildoc

    detaildoc Guest

    That's exactly what I'm thinking. It must not be just the water itself, but that and other contaminants or minerals that are bonding to the Zaino more so than to others Lsp's.
     
  7. Brent

    Brent Birth of a Detailer

    SuperBee has mentioned similar issues with waterspots using Zaino. He now uses Carnauba to protect his paint. Despite this, I still plan on giving Zaino a try as I have never had issues with waterspots before.
     
  8. Bence

    Bence Two Bucket System Washer

    Same here. I try to avoid using my Zainos whenever possible.

    Other LSPs, especially heavy carnaubas protect physically better.
     
  9. timpryor

    timpryor Birth of a Detailer

    I used zaino for a couple years exclusively and never had anything like that happen
     
  10. Cleaning Fool

    Cleaning Fool Birth of a Detailer

    Hmmm..I had my daughters Focus in for some warranty work. The car was there 2 days, the night before I picked it up we had severe storms. When I picked up the car, there were water spots on the flat surfaces. Took it home, they washed write off, no problem. Having said that, there does seem to be an issue with water spots/Zaino . I wonder why it affects some and not others?
     
  11. detaildoc

    detaildoc Guest

    My hunch is that there are specific contaminants or chemicals that given certain environmental conditions (humidity, temperature, etc) react unfavorably with water and with Zaino to create those nasty water spots. For those who have not had this problem their car has probably not encountered such variables. Just a wild guess here.
     
  12. agentf1

    agentf1 Jedi Nuba

    I have been using Zaino for years and live near the airport and refineries and commute back and forth to the city of Philadelphia. I would have to think I encounter more airborne contaminants than most people and my daily drivers have zero water spots.

    I did have one of my cars get water spotted real bad years ago, way before Zaino was probably even made. What happened was sprinklers came on where I was parked for some training during a sunny day and the water got baked onto my black car. I had a hell of a time getting them off and if I remember some never fully came out until the car was painted. I think I probably used either #26 or Liquid Glass at the time. Point being sprinklers are REAL bad and I do not think any LSP will protect you from something like that. I think if you were able to trace it back you would find somehow somebody or something got on your finish and it probably would have happened even if Zaino wasn't on the car.
     
  13. Brent

    Brent Birth of a Detailer

    I would say the types and the amount of contaminants are one one of many variables that can lead to water spots. Another would be the water in that area. Lastly the paint itself. Some paints may be more resistent to water spotting than others.

    For whatever reason, the paint on my car is very resistant to water spotting, not sure why but many other cars that were in the household I lived in a the time would be covered in water spots, my car would be fine and back then I didn't take care of my car anywhere near like I do today, I didn't even know what detail clay was back then. Should I ever own a car which did have a problem with water spots, I would switch from sealants to a carnauba such as Collinite or Carnauba Moose Wax. For whatever reason, a fress coat of wax seems to do a better job protecting against waterspots than sealants despite their lack of durability.
     

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