If I was only to get one Uber pad for using Meg's 105, would it be yellow or orange..and why? I'll be finishing with the green Uber and Meg's 205. Thanks!!
M105 is very pad depended, so it would depend on what kind of cut you would like. If you need alot of cut then Yellow compounding pad is great, if you dont need a heavy cut then even a green will do some good cutting. I dont like orange because of how stiff it is and just use yellow now. But, to answer your question you can use M105 with any pad to get the cut you want, same with M205. You can actually get some good correction with M205 on a green. So, comes down to use some M105 on a green and see how it goes, then if you need some more cut go to orange then yellow (or straight to yellow)
Thanks!! Good info - so if I had to chose (yellow or Orange) which woule be more effective and more versitile?
Are you using a rotary or DA? Also have you used a orange LC or Uber pad before? Yellow is definably easier to work with, I think, than the orange because of the stiffness. On a DA the hard orange pad did not bother me but when I switched to rotary I really dont like hard pads anymore and like the yellow better. I would go with Yellow, but pick up a orange just to try it out and see how you like them. It is really up to personal opinion almost...yellow does have a slight bit more cut to it. Also what cars will you be polishing?
Honestly, it does not work like that. However its better to have a lighter cutting pad and do an extra pass if need be. Rather than being too aggressive. 105 is a pretty serious compound, the whole 105 to 205 system is really not ideal. Its effective and fast but not ideal. I would get a polish in the middle as well. Such as Menzerna Powerfinish.
So you do a three step polish? or You ajust to two as needed for the job? as in #2 and # 3 or # 1 and #2 or all 3 ? :shead:
Yes, sometimes you only need a medium polish. Sometimes you need Medium then finish. Sometimes Medium x2 then finish. Other times Heavy, medium, finish. Its nice to go in with a plan but you should always test first and see whats needed.
Why isn't it ideal? You can take those two polishes and four pads and have 8 different polishes. I would have a better finishing polish like 85rd or Ultrafina but other than that they are great polishes and work better than Menzerna at the present time.
I think the goal should be to get as much correction with minimal paint removal. Thats why the 105/205 system is not ideal. While I agree 105 is great, its just not always going to be a good first step.
It's really not as bad as you make it sound. With 105 and 205, you can achieve 10 different cuts with five different pads. That's a pretty large range IMO. Also, it's never really a good idea to start with 105 outright unless the circumstances dictate it.
Should not hit it wit M105 + Yellow, unless you have done the car before and know you need that. Start off with M205 on green then orange. If that does not work then M105 on green, then orange, yellow. M105 yes it is a compound but can be a good middle range polish with the right pad like a polishing pad...205 is not the best finishing polish something like 85rd is better and yield better results. But good thing about 105 is you can vary the cut a good deal depending on pad used.
Still not true, using a pad with little cut is also going to give you minimal cut. Understanding how SMAT works you would think differently about 105 or 205 for that matter. On the other hand you use a Menzerna product to remove a defect and you have to go over it 3-4 times and then you use 105 and a certain pad and remove the defect in 1 pass. How is there a difference in the amount of paint removal, the only thing more removed is the extra time spent using a product that takes 3-4 times longer to remove the defect.
I didnt like the orange uber pad. Too stiff. I use the yellow pad with 105 then I follow with the 205 on an UBER blue pad. sometimes I do the 205 on the green though.
You have completely misinterpreted my original statement. I am not saying anything against 105. I am just stating that the OP should not rely on 105 every time he polishes, and should look into a medium polish. Whether it be a menzerna, megs, or any other brand.
No, I understood them completely. When one says something isn't ideal, that doesn't give someone a warm and fuzzy feeling about a product. Once again you can make 105 into a medium polish by pad choice.
Well I mean the 105/205 combo is not ideal. The products themselves are good. Its opinuins int he end man:thumb:
Nothing wrong with opinions but one should know how both products actually work before making them. I don't understand how the combo is not ideal but the products themselves are good, if you are saying that, then the combo should be good as well.
you can use the uber yellow or orange, yellows are favored a bit more you can also use the uber green pad with m105.
I have 105 and got rid of 205. This is what I am trying to explain. Someone who is new to detailing, or even experienced in detailing will look at a car and sort of guess the damage. Say the car has some harsh swirls. You take a finishing polish such as 205 on a green polish pad and it does not fully correct. The jump to 105 is a pretty large leap. A product like Meguiars 83, Menz Power Finish, 3M Fast Cut, or whatever would correct without being as aggressive as M105. That is my approach to paint correction. Conservative I guess. I also do not think 205 is a good finishing polish. I never did try it on a DA, but I definitely did not like the quality of finish compared to Menzerna's 85RD on a rotary(this was on a black car)
I've never tried 205 nor have I tried the 3M ultrafina. I've always stuck with Menzerna b/c I know how to use it, know what it does and in my air conditioned garage, performs beautifully. If my buddy Dana wanted to send me a sample of ultrafina, I wouldn't say no....oke:oke:
