Amazing Correction with a PC

Discussion in 'Compounds, Polishes, Paint Cleaners, and Glazes' started by 911Fanatic, Sep 16, 2009.

  1. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    If you had any doubts as to the correction abilities of a PC, wonder no more. Take a look at this thread.
     
  2. Chas

    Chas DB Forum Supporter

    Has anyone tried the Surbuf pads?
     
  3. pektel

    pektel DB Forum Supporter

    I'm looking at them right now, actually. Interesting concept
     
  4. BigAl3

    BigAl3 Birth of a Detailer

    gmblack3a aka bryan - his work is top notch and he definitely proves that the PC can do the work of a rotary. i really enjoy his write-ups!
     
  5. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    Hi BigAl3 - welcome aboard! I read through the write up and was amazed they did all the correction with pcs!
     
  6. Paul S

    Paul S Birth of a Detailer

    Glad to see the use of the Surbuf pads.Went to a little get to-gether a few months ago down in Evansville In put on by PorscheGuy997 and Jason Rose.Chris did a demo with these pads and later had everyone who wanted to, try their hands at it. Makes you think the PC was on steroids.Used in combination with a paint thickness meter , they are a great combination to add to ones arsenal.

    Paul S
     
  7. Got Wax

    Got Wax Banned

    WOW!:worship2:
     
  8. Pats300zx

    Pats300zx Official DB Moderator

    Bryan's work never ceases to amaze me....
     
  9. 911Fanatic

    911Fanatic DB Pro Supporter

    I just ordered the pads to try. Will post my findings when they arrive.
     
  10. Denzil

    Denzil Guest

    Cool deal, will be looking forward to hear your results Ken. I'm still contemplating what sizes I should get... :shead:
     
  11. sal329

    sal329 Nuba Guru

    The method known and the Kevin Brown Method and a PC is truly remarkable. Bryan has really tweaked it and it shows in all his work
     
  12. P1et

    P1et Official DB Moderator

    Damn, impressive! That is with the new PC, the more powerful one, correct?
     
  13. ahwil_lim

    ahwil_lim Wax on..Wax off

    surbuf pad work amazing with PC, any1 DB member try it before?

    Sharing the result pls ...
     
  14. richy

    richy Guest

    I'm interested in finding out more about these pads. Let me know what models you guys are using, etc.
     
  15. gmblack3

    gmblack3 Top 9 detailer in the US to serve you in Atlanta

    Gentleman, I thank you all for your kind words. I just posted the thread here for you to see.

    I will try to answer a few questions about using a surbuf pad with the KBM, which is totally different from using a orange pad with the KBM.

    I see folks asking about the XPPC which I used and have been using since it came out. Bret actually used his 7424 to do the right side. He was able to correct panels at the same speed that I did. I like the new XPPC, but I really don't see it being that much of an improvment over the 7424 when it comes to speed of correction. I really like the way it feels in my hands over the 7424.

    Sufbuf pad size. Kevin told me from the start to use the 7" surbuf pad with your 6" BP. So that is all I have used and have had great results. The small microfingers that make up the surbuf pad's face need to bend at an angle which the 7" pad and 6" BP works together perfectly. I will order some of the 4" pads the next time I order some pads to try.

    For cutting severe defects with a PC, I use the surbuf pads with a M105. I call this the KBSBM.

    This process can be messy.

    7" surbuf pad.
    6" BP
    PC or XPPC
    Straight IPA

    1. Do not prime the surbuf pad.
    2. Apply 4 "larger then pea sized" dots of M105 to the pad.
    3. Work the polish into an 12x12" area without turning on your PC.
    4. Spritz the surface with water.
    5. As in step 3, again work the polish around without turning on your PC, you are looking for a milky consistency.
    6. Turn on PC to speed 6 and work the polish till it appears to dry.
    7. Spritz more water onto the suface and continue to polish. What this does is bring the polish out of the pad and back to the surface.
    8. I have found that you will need IPA sprayed onto your MF to remove the M105 from the surface.
    9. Inspect and repeat if needed.

    Notes:
    If you find that one time is not enough to remove defects, you can always repeat #7 and keep on polishing.

    After 2-3 sections, you will need to clean the pad by brushing off the pad and blowing out the excess polish with compressed air. After the pad becomes overly saturated w/ polish clean with warn water and some APC. Spin to dry. The pad does not have to be totally dry to use it again.

    I have removed severe defects and 2000 grit wetsanding marks with this method.

    Depedning on the hardness of the clear, you "might" be able to go right to M205 with a gray finishing pad via the KBM. Sometimes a middle step with M105/orange pad via KBM is required.

    IMO this method will level paint as good as a rotary.
     
  16. gmblack3

    gmblack3 Top 9 detailer in the US to serve you in Atlanta

    This is using the KBM with an orange pad/M105:

    Prime the entire face of the clean/dry flat orange pad, ensure you have polish in every pore.

    Apply 3-4 dots of M105 to the pad.

    Apply enough pressure at speed 6 so that the pad is still spinning, but slowly. Ensure that the pad is spinning and not stopped.

    Wipe the M105 from the surface with a MF and inspect the area. If the M105 become difficult to remove from the surface wipe it away with straight IPA.

    After each use wipe the pad accross a MF to clean the pad. Then apply 4 more dots of polish and repeat.

    After a few uses brush the pad clean and blow compressed air to clean out the dust. You will still see residual polish on the pad.

    After so many uses the pad will loose its cut as its just clogged with too much polish and clear from the surface.

    Clean the pad by spraying APC 1:4 onto the pad and wash it w/ warm water in the sink. Make sure you get all the soap and polish rinsed out. Spin the pad out into a bucket with your PC or a rotary if you have one. Let the pad air dry fully by placing it in from of a fan.

    Of course you will need more then a few pads to complete this process.

    Prime a fresh pad and start again.

    If you have any 4" orange pads and the proper backing plate, use the above method to spot polish those deeper scratches.

    Follow with M205 and a white or gray flat pad using the same process as above, you will not have to work the areas as long. If you don't have M205 use a finish polish with a white pad.
     
  17. ahwil_lim

    ahwil_lim Wax on..Wax off

    gmblack3,

    its really helpful tips for all of us.

    what is KBM? how about megs PC G220? does it work using surbuf pad? sorry, Im newbie in detailing.

    thanks
     
  18. gmblack3

    gmblack3 Top 9 detailer in the US to serve you in Atlanta

    KBM=Kevin Brown Method.

    I have never used a G200, but I am pretty sure if a 7424 PC works then the G220 should as well.
     
  19. Reflect

    Reflect DB Forum Supporter

    Yikes, I'll stick to my rotary! Nice work though.
     
  20. Erik Mejia

    Erik Mejia Obsessive Detailer

    Amazing what you can accomplish with the PC and Meguiar's Super Micro Abrasive Technology. Beautiful results.
     

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